There is global concern with the dwindling numbers of engineering recruits and university intakes. While schools seemed to have really stepped up and are supporting STEM activities,
The parents are owning it as well, in saying, Yeah, the schools can only do so much. The parents are taking the responsibility as well.
Emily Vecere is going a step further and actively encourages and assists parents to embed STEM and STEAM principals in pre-school aged children.
..the parents, knowing these things are important, and then trying to do them with their kids.
Emily thinks awareness of engineering and engineering principles should start early in life.
Starting from a young age of learning about what is science, technology, engineering and math
Much earlier than school age even. Her mission is to get engineering in front of our most impressionable members of society … our children.
hoping peer pressure will lean towards the way of “we like science”
Links discussed during the episode
Emily’s website, to discover more about Emily’s engineering journey as well as to pick up some of the wonderful activities she recommends doing with her young children to encourage a love of STEAM is www.engineeringemily.com
We discuss how many other parent’s are engaged with their children with encouraging a love for STEM and STEAM, including a book Mel, Dom & Emily love Rosie Revere Engineer, by Andrea Beaty
Click to go to Booktopia to purchase Rosie Revere, Engineer by Andrea Beaty
An engineer Emily greatly admires is Debbie Sterling, the founder & CEO of GoldieBlox. You can check her website by clicking the photo below, and have a watch of her YouTube video if you’ve got time.
Debbie Sterling, founder & CEO of GoldieBlox
About Emily Vecere
Emily Vecere, Reservoir Engineer
Emily is a Chemical Engineer who has spent years working as a Reservoir Engineer with the likes of ConocoPhillips and Shell.
The smartest people in the room are usually reservoir engineers.
While she is currently working as a Mum, raising her two young children, she is encouraging children to explore STEM and writing about being a woman engineer in her blog.
what’s awesome about engineering is it can change your life
This is a “close” copy of the words that were spoken during the Podcast, Season 2 Episode 3.
It is not 100% accurate.
The guest was Emily Vecere.
Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Mel De Gioia 0:25
Hi, welcome to season two episode three of Engineering Heroes, a podcast that presents through incredible engineers that are shaping our society and battling out challenging issues. My name is Mel, my co host and our podcasts resident engineer speaking to us from the trenches is Dom. So today I’m going to start off by telling a little story about myself. And like all good stories this one starts with “once upon a time”.
Once upon a time, I was a full time project manager, I fell into the role, but it suited me and my personality perfectly. However, when keep started coming along, I really started questioning what my foundations were, who I am, what my life goals should be. Now I know I’m not a unique little flower in this questioning. Every person walks their own path, but there’s a definite resonance in humanity, and especially in motherhood.
Today’s guest I really connected with her journey. While I’m not an engineer we’re both mothers whose lives have zinged where we expected them to zag. We’re both passionate about STEM and STEAM. And we’re both trying to do something to encourage that in society, but in our own little ways. Our guest today thinks awareness of engineering and engineering principles should start early in life much earlier than school age even she will talk about her passion for getting engineering in front of our most impressionable members of society. Our kids.
Dom over to you, Let’s get cracking.
Steam, or science, technology engineer, maths is a topic that’s near and dear to us here at this little podcast. It’s one that’s very dear to our guest tonight. Emily is a chemical engineer who spent years working as reservoir engineer with the likes of Conoco Phillips and SHELL. But she’s on a mission. And while she’s currently working as a mum, raising her two young children, she’s also encouraging children to explore stem and writing about being a woman engineer in her blog, Engineering Emily and her mission? How do we get kids interested in STEM? Tonight? We’re speaking with Emily Vecere. Right. Thanks for joining us, Emily.
Mel De Gioia 2:35
Hi. Thanks for having me.
Mel De Gioia 2:39
Pleasure. And what a great mission. Is that what you call it as well, your mission?
Yeah, I say My mission is just to raise kids to love stem. My mom with a math teacher, and she just loved math. And she told me growing up how you’re good at math. We love math in this family. She told us mouth jokes all the time. And like, I just always thought I was good at math. And I just thought math was fun and easy. And I always took advanced classes and math and never thought twice about it. Even though I had like friends who were like, not so hard. I hate math. And that never crossed my mind. Because my mom made it like something like you love this. And we’re like, yes, we do love it. So that’s kind of how I want my kids and all kids to feel about all the STEM fields, because then you can succeed in it.
Mel De Gioia 3:24
Why did you get into engineering?
When I was in high school, I I really obviously I said, I loved math. And I was super into science, I would study genome and genetics. I like read books on that kind of stuff for fun. And I kind of expected to be like a researcher in genetics and genomes and maybe finding cures for things like cancer and Alzheimer’s because I had family members affected by that. And so that seemed really awesome. But then I started to think I’m I could spend my whole life and career researching, maybe I’ve contributed to something that eventually lead to a cure, but there really would be nothing to show for it. And so I had my favourite teacher was a physics teacher. And she actually was a chemical engineer. And she was pretty awesome. Mrs Walker, and I told her about that. I said, you know, this is what I really want to do. But I’m just kind of worried. I’m worried I’ll spend my whole career doing this and never have anything to show. I’m the type person I like to make things you know, I always played with Lego I make t shirts, I just like to have something to show for my hard work and, and she’s like, you know, engineers make things, if you’re an engineer you can have something to show for it. And I thought that sounds so awesome. I want to be a chemical engineer, and I can make things and at the time, you know, being a high school, I was like super into makeup and looking pretty. So I thought I can make makeup as a chemical engineer. And so that was my goal. In high school. When I signed up for chemical engineering, I said, I’m going to go and make makeup. And that’s why I picked it. And of course, I’ve done nothing close to making money. But you know what, I’m happy that I became an engineer, even though it was it’s not been anything I dreamed about even in my wildest dreams that I thought chemical engineering would be, but it’s, it’s been an awesome ride. So that’s okay.
Mel De Gioia 5:16
And you study your chemical engineering. But Dom mentioned that you’ve worked as a reservoir engineer. What is the reservoir engineer?
So the reservoir engineers, I worked for oil and gas companies, I worked for Conoco Phillips, SHELL. Reservoir engineers are – our basic responsibility is on determining how much gas or oil is underground, and how much can be produced. So you have some gas that’s underground, that maybe might not be accessible, will never be able to produce that out of the ground to use. But then there’s some that you know, you can produce. And so it’s just a, we use a lot of modelling software, it’s kind of like, in a way, not like doing what I thought I’d do as an engineer. So I originally thought, I’m going to build stuff, and I’m gonna have something to show and now I’m kind of doing a job that’s a bit imaginary, you don’t actually see it, you model it. And you have to be like a little open minded and creative about it. You know, there’s obviously a science to it. The smartest people in the room are usually reservoir engineers. And I don’t know if I count myself as one of them. And I just kind of got in there by accident. I often felt like lucky that I got to do reservoir engineering, because it’s always like, oh, that the smart kid, or the reservoir engineers, I spent a lot of time in a role that we were reporting the reserves. And that’s like the financial part of it. So you have to report to oil and gas companies have to report how much reserves that’s oil and gas under SHELL’s gotten in really big trouble in the past, there’s been a lot of stuff for misrepresenting the reserve statements. And so when I worked for them for a short time, when they bought out my original company, BG, I had to go through extensive reserves training with them, because it’s so important to get it right. So that job just carries a lot of responsibility. People go to jail for not getting there. I know. And it’s hard because it’s not something that you ever really can see or feel just like, yeah, it’s all modelling and stuff. So it’s, it’s, it’s hard, but it’s, it’s fun to it’s a good challenge.
What was the first projects you worked on as an engineer
I had a friend who worked in oil and gas, I clinical Phillips in Farmington, which isn’t even smaller town in New Mexico. And she was like, Hey, I love my job. You should we’re hiring, you should apply. And so I said, Okay, that sounds cool. I’ll apply I didn’t know anything about oil and gas like I hadn’t, I never met anyone who worked in it my whole life. So we got into this cool programme that they were it was a development programme where you got to try all the different oil and gas jobs, for three months each, which was really good because I was like new oil and gas, I didn’t know anything. So I worked as a drilling engineer and a production engineer and a plant engineer out of the gas plant reservoir engineer completion. So all the main oil and gas industry engineering jobs, I got to try out for a short period of time. And that was just really interesting to learn about all of them and find out what I liked. And I finally placed into a plant engineering job, because there was a chemical engineer, it was a good fit. It’s like process engineering. So I worked out at a gas plants and just doing a lot of like modelling work for safety process studies. And then I also sized a compressor for the plant that got to be replaced during a turnaround and that was awesome. I mean, I was like a two year engineer, and this huge, really, really expensive piece of equipment I was in charge of SIZING IT and then watching it get replaced and you know working long hour days while they’re doing it, we were there like 12-14 hours every day. And it was really fun. Like I was really young and I was like the first girl to engineer to work out there. And the guys didn’t know what to make of me because you know, guys that gas plants they just, they’ve been there forever and they’re just used to what they’re used to and they’re like this girl does it fit in our box? What do we do with her and
I really had to work hard and and sell myself to them and which was a big challenge. Like I thought when I first started that job I thought I hated it. I was like this I hate engineering I hate this job. Because there’s just so much hard work everyone felt felt like no one believed in me I just felt like an uphill battle. Like I liked what I was doing but it just it’s an intellect support but I put in the hard work I I went and hung out with those guys and those control room every single day and just got to know them talked about their lives their kids my husband and showed them that I’m passionate, I care about safety. It’s just such a big deal to me and I wanted to learn every anything I could from them and so they finally came around and ended up being some of the most amazing guys I’ve met and I keep in touch with a lot of them still today so that’s pretty cool.
Mel De Gioia 10:11
That sounds amazing.
first job it kind of just got me learning like what you have to do as an engineer you can’t just like rely on your education you have to get to know guys who’ve who’ve been through it and you know learn from their experiences too and and don’t act like you know everything just let let people help you and teach you and
it’s almost as though you do you university degree but you actually do your training once you get at it so much like you do a trial, you have to do another X amount of years before you really know what
Mel De Gioia 10:46
an engineer really does.
pretty much know anything, especially in regards to the specialist area that you fall into. So yeah, sounds awesome.
Yeah, it was really cool.
Mel De Gioia 11:00
Our guest has her own blog and website called Engineering Emily, you can check it out at www.engineeringemily.com. The content is all about inspiring women engineers, moms, and kids who love STEM. On it you can find out a lot more about Emily’s engineering journey, we’ve only really scratched the surface so far. You’ll also get to see how much her passion for engineering underlies her interactions with her own children. Everything is captured on her website in the hope it inspires other parents who also believe that age is no barrier when it comes to teaching your young children the basics of engineering in their everyday life.
We need more people in STEM careers. There is not definitely not enough and especially of women, and how are we going to get more people into that according to the Society of Women Engineers, they say that there’s only 8% of women entering college freshmen who want to major in engineering, math, or computer science. And that’s such a low number and only 26% of men. So it’s still not even very many men, you know, who want to major in those fields. That was in 2014. So okay, that was five years ago. And I’m sure the numbers have gone up since then. But you know, I hope but I hasn’t gone up a lot. I don’t I doubt it. They’re not choosing tender. And then once women are choosing engineering, it said 32% of women leave while they’re still in college, even they drop out, you know, and I think it’s part of the thing is isolation, you’re in your courses, and you’re just one of a few women. And it kind of becomes hard, you don’t have other people to support you, you know, you like some people who look like you. I think that’s why a lot of them leave. And maybe also they don’t know what engineering it they might be like me. So I didn’t know what engineering really was. When I signed up for it. Like I said, I just was like, Oh, I’m gonna make makeup, I’m not sure. And then I took my first chemical engineering class, and it was like pipes knows like, I’m a glorified plumber. What is this? I was like, This isn’t what I thought I wanted to do. I’m not interested in pipe design. And you know, this flow through pipes, I was like, What is this? Like, I didn’t not think that was what engineering was. And I really struggled in engineering school my first few years, because it wasn’t necessarily what I thought it was going to be. And then I thought it was so hard. I just didn’t understand it. And so I think that’s part of the reason why a lot of women leave. And so I think starting from a young age of learning about what is science, technology, engineering, math, teach them about it from a really young age, these concepts and then eventually move into like, what are the careers and get them mentors, because that’s how they’re going to learn to love it and understand it and maybe not drop out either once they start because they’ll have a better understanding. Like maybe I wish I had like a mentor and being able to work shadow, you know, go with someone to a job of engineering and the maybe I would have had more of an understanding of what I was getting into. Before I did it. My goal with my blog, and that I think it’s a good solution for starting now is to start them young, like I’ve been starting my kids as toddlers, since they were two years old. We use magnetic blocks for stacking, and we learn about gravity. And we do counting. And I’ve had both my kids counting since they were two or even before that I think my daughter started counting out like one and a half, just because I wanted to I just want them to love math and I tied into everything we’re doing. I’m like, count this, count it. What’s one plus one, you know, I just every day, I just kind of make it fun and make it part of our daily routine. So it’s just natural for them. You know, like, they’re just gonna think this is part of life. This is fun. This is normal math is just.. that’s what we do it and I want math and science and technology, like computer science is a huge thing I really like I think everyone should be learning that I think schools are starting to do more and more of that. But you know, all the jobs are on the computers these days. And I think pretty much every kid graduating high school everywhere should be competent. And coding should be like learning to read language that they were supposed to be learning a language and the language around really should learn. Yes.
Mel De Gioia 15:22
So what you’re saying is from a female perspective, that the whole end to end of a career, you lose them along the way. And the same with engineers, there’s so many great engineers, working in banks, we were speaking to a guest in the UK. And he was concerned about the same thing that the numbers in London or in England are quite low as well. So it seems to be there’s a lot of countries around that have this problem. And so what you’re presenting here is that you’ve got the whole solution of stop them young, so you’re doing it yourself. But with your blog you’re actually promoting that. Is that what we’re
right, yeah, yeah. I’m really active on Instagram with my blog and my engineering Emily account. And there’s this huge community of women with the similar mission to mine. So they’re trying, they’re teaching their kids from a young age, all about science, technology, engineering, math, there’s accounts focused on just teaching toddlers coding and accounts focus on teaching them science. And it’s really awesome. Like I follow, you know, over 500 different accounts. And they are amazing. Like, there’s just all kinds of moms and just passionate women who are in these fields, trying to start to encourage kids from a young age to do these things. And it’s really amazing. So it’s, I know, I’m not the only one with this mission, I’m passionate about it. And I think I just think like a lot of people think it’s a great idea to start them, since they’re very young, and do it all the way up through school, you know, start, and I know a lot of schools, our audience esteem programmes, and especially starting in elementary school, and just awesome. So because I didn’t really get a lot of, you know, specific steam education, you know, you do your basic math and science that’s required. But it wasn’t like a focus trying to encourage kids to do that. The schools are jumping on board, but it’s almost like the parents are owning it as well, in saying, Yeah, the schools can I do so much the parents are taking the responsibility as well.
Yeah, I think it’s bringing you back in to the, to the spotlight a little bit as well. Because I know that I had niece and nephew went through high school. And when I went through, you had to do some form of maths. Whereas when my nephew went through, he didn’t have to take it. If he didn’t want to terrify Well, it was my myself, my brother, sort of sitting there going, what do you mean you don’t have to do math, you need to, you need to do math. Whereas It seems as though people are realising that it is such an important part of the general knowledge that it’s getting that focus back on to it now, which I think is really good.
Mel De Gioia 18:03
But I think what Emily saying as well, is that it’s parents of bringing it in. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which I think Yeah, I people movement, and you’ve hit on something there.
Yeah, I think it has to come from the parents. It’s like me, my love of math came from my mom. And I don’t think anyone, even teachers could have maybe made me love math as much. So I think it’s like the parents, knowing these things are important, and then trying to do them with their kids. So that’s why I’m posting these experiments on Instagram and trying to make them accessible to all moms. Like I try and say you have all these things in your pantry. It’s so easy. Just go grab them, and do this little experiment with your kids. And it’s fun. And you know, and and your kids will love it. And they’re going to see you as a cool mom, and they’re going to love science. I think that it has to come from the parents, for sure. That’s exactly right.
Mel De Gioia 18:55
If all these parents keep up this momentum. What? What do you think’s going to happen?
Yeah, hopefully we’ll see more balance, you know, you’ll see more women going choosing to do engineering. And I think that’s already starting, you just see, I’ve been seeing, like so many new companies come out with like, dresses for little girls that have scientists on them and astronaut. It’s so awesome. And like there’s dolls and toys specifically for girls that are stem focused, and it’s just become this huge industry. And I just couldn’t be more happy because that stuff wasn’t around when I was little, you know, the kind of stuff that’s available today is like my dream.
Like books. Mel’s just holding up the Rosie Revere Engineer
So when they’re under the parents influence, getting them started with the passion towards it. But then like, I’m worried about like keeping that passion once they’re in elementary and middle school, and they’re under the influence of their friends a little more, you know, hopefully enough of the kids will have that passion that they won’t rub off on each other trying to say, math isn’t really fun. I don’t like math. And then you start thinking, Oh, yeah, I’m not good at math. You know, my son hasn’t gone into elementary school yet. So I’m not exactly sure on the elementary school curriculum, and then you do more research on it. But I’ve heard that lots of schools are focusing a lot more on STEM. And I think that’s great. And I hope that teachers are keeping up with it and same passionate, and the parents will too. And that will rub off on the kids. It’s just like hoping peer pressure will lean towards the way of we like science. And today we don’t know some guys are we like engineering, you know. So I hope that you know, once they they all like it and so you’re going to peer pressure them in being like a mad. You know, like, why don’t you like math? You should like I really,
Mel De Gioia 21:07
I really liked what you said there is that in the future, we’ll see balance.
If it’s treated as though it’s the norm, you know, when they kids, then when they as they go through school, then they’re not going to know any differently. Just kind of think that that’s that’s what you do. That’s you know that? Yeah, see something that you love and, and continue. Continue that passion?
Yeah. I hope so. And I think like once there’s more women, girls will see themselves in those roles too like, right now, it’s hard to picture yourself in the role because everyone you know, who’s an engineer is probably a boy, you know, like, I knew one engineer growing up, and that was my uncle, you know, so I knew one man. And he was an electrical engineer. And, you know, my mom was always like, when I told her I was going to be, of course, she’s obviously my biggest fan and got me interested in engineering, but she liked math. And I told her, I want to major in engineering, she’s like, should I buy you a pocket protector, you’re going to start looking like Dilbert, you know, as as she was teasing me, she was obviously extremely proud. But those are things people say, when you say you’re going to be an engineer, or at least they did 20 years ago, you know, these days, I think it’s kind of people are saying realise you can look like anything and be an engineer. But those were stereotypes that we have, and I hope girls start to see and boys and everyone that you don’t have to look one way to be an engineer, you don’t have to wear glasses, and you can look however you want to look, everyone can be an engineer, doesn’t matter.
Mel De Gioia 22:30
That’s what I’m hoping that we’re achieving with this podcast. In that you know very much if you can say you can do it so we always have 50/50 male and female and by telling you a little bit of your storeys as well. Hopefully our listeners learn that engineers are just normal people they’re not the whole deal but sort of pocket protector they are there they cool their their moms their ruin, is there, you know, the bridge climb? Is it
so all those people out there who are doing gonna be like Dilbert, what would you say to people that are just starting out?
Oh, some people are just starting out? Oh, gosh, I’d say you can do it. It’s all about hard work. Like I you know, in engineering school, I did not pass that because I was the smartest kid there. I passed it because I worked hard. I put it in hours I was up late every night. You know, you just have to work hard and have the passion for it and be a sponge, learn from everyone you can be really open. One thing is like make sure your voice is heard. As an engineer you get lost as like being the only girl in the room sometimes and not speak up. But just about everything like your career goals and what you want. Like when I first started as an engineer, I heard my company Conoco Phillips did expat assignments. And I just thought, wow, I want to go somewhere. I’ve lived in New Mexico, my whole life. This, you know, small, the state in the US. That’s really small population. I’ve never left it, I want to live somewhere cool. I told everyone I knew every manager every quarter, I was just like, I really want an ecstatic assignment one day, and a boss of mine went to work in Australia. And they were hiring, they needed engineers. And who do you think he called me and my husband? Because I made it clear? Well, first of all, we were hard workers and always did our best job. And that’s really important. As an engineer, I never turned in work that I was not extremely proud of, even if it like had to come like an like down to the very end of the deadline. I would not turn it in early if it was not perfect. So I just did my best job I could. And I think that’s so important. You know, I tried my hardest to make good impressions. And so starting out with making a good impression on this manager. And he knew I had this passion for going international. He called us up and said, Do you want to come work with me and Australia? And we said hell yeah, I know, whatever will be there had signed us up and we took the job. We went to Australia sight unseen. We never even visited, you know, we’ve never lived anywhere. But the new New Mexico I sold everything I owned. We did and we we moved there. And it was crazy. And it was awesome. And the best experience of my life. And that’s what’s awesome about engineering is it can change your life. You can go anywhere in the world, as an engineer, it’s a great career, and it gives you financial stability, you know, I was able to make the choice to be a stay at home mom,
all the good stuff you get to do if you’re an engineer, that’s
Yes. See, that’s what I’m saying. And I mean, it wouldn’t have had that opportunity to live and work and work such a good paying job where I could continue to travel on my time off and do cool things. And yeah, it’s being an engineer’s pretty awesome.
Mel De Gioia 25:33
I like I liked how we got to this spot, though, because what, and this is something I actually quite believe in, it’s sometimes bites me on the butt. But I like how you said, Well, these aren’t your exact words, but put it out there in the universe. Like if you you just put it out there. You say you gotta do it. And somehow it’ll work that it’ll work out something. Yes. And
yeah, I believe in that
Mel De Gioia 25:58
Yeah, it definitely worked out for me. I mean, I just Yeah, it’s definitely the strategy. Like, it was something I just, I felt deep down, it was like, I knew I had to do this, you know, and I was just like, I am going to go somewhere. And they didn’t even know where I wanted to go until the opportunity for Australia presented itself. And I was like, Yes, that’s my place. I need to go there. You know, that was where I was meant to be.
Mel De Gioia 26:21
Now, just to wrap up, I’m really keen to hear about what’s a piece of engineering that impresses you.
Just everything, you know, my phone. But yeah, my car, I got a brand new car. And that is pretty awesome. So it’s a 2019 Subaru Ascent. And the things that can do you know, it has like automated cruise control, or adaptive cruise control. And it’ll sense the car in front of you and speed up and slow down and collision prevention. So like, you know, if I’m in my garage, going a little too fast towards the wallet, well. You know, you’re yelling at the kids in the backseat, and it stops for you. So that’s great. And just like all of them, like safety controls and sensors and like awesome things that it can do. It just blows my mind. Like these cars are getting like cooler and cooler all the time. And it’s pretty cool.
Mel De Gioia 27:10
I have a theory that well, actually it’s not a theory it’s actually.. there’s five stages to autonomous vehicles. And the that’s a step that’s like step two or something. Where you know, step one is you drive and you control everything. But there’s the two, threes, fours are all you know, the driver assistance and that slowing down that sort of even those park where the car can park itself, so all those stages to autonomous vehicles, so they’re getting society ready to just let the car drive itself. I see that as a stepping stone. We’re a long way from the horse and cart. That’s for sure.
Yeah, yeah. I listened to your episode on the the autonomouis vehicles. And I just thought that was so awesome.
And so just to wrap it up. Do you have any an engineer that you admire?
Mel De Gioia 28:02
Yeah, so Okay, pretty much have to say like pretty much every engineer I’ve ever worked with. Really, uh, you know, I’ve worked with some pretty amazing folks throughout all my experiences, and all my mentors and of course, my husband. But if it’s someone, someone I’ve never met, who I really admire, just because I’m similar passion is Debbie Sterling. And she is a mechanical engineer from Stanford. And she founded the toy company GoldieBlox, which was one of the first choice. Yes, yeah. So it was one of the first toys for girls engineering toys. And it’s just really amazing. She had such a unique creative concept. And she came up with it. And she’s a, she’s an engineer, and she has such a passion for it. And, you know, I’ve watched her TED Talk. And I feel like she’s had a similar experience of background to me when she was going into engineering and her experience in school. And she just has such a strong passion like I do for, you know, introducing girls to engineering and from a young age and giving them toys to play with that will inspire their creative engineering thinking, you know, and give them like, boys have these toys that are for engineers, or that are you know, kind of engineering type of toys like Legos and Lincoln Logs and things like that, that get them thinking spatially, but there weren’t as many toys like that geared towards girls. And this kind of she made these toys that give girls that unique start to and that’s great.
Mel De Gioia 29:26
Yeah, we got given some of those. Yeah.
Yeah, when they were.. they’re a little bit older now. And the eldest is nine we’ve got nine and seven. But yeah, we had GoldieBlox when, they were younger
Mel De Gioia 29:39
Yeah, that’s great. I didn’t realise. So thank you for giving us that. That was such a wonderful way to end. And yeah, thank you. We’ve had such a great talk to you today. I’ve really loved it.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it too. Thanks.
Mel De Gioia 29:56
Thank you for listening to Episode Three of Engineering Heroes. Talking to Emily really made me think about how important it is to encourage a love for STEM and STEAM in the house. And with so many people working in this space, there’s no excuse not to. The future that these activities can bring really is very exciting. Speaking about the future… Next week we will be chatting to our very first active military engineer. He’s an armament and aeronautical engineer and will be talking to us about engineers who lead. If you want to keep up to date with our latest information, or find out more about today’s show, the best place to visit will always be our website. www.engineeringheroes.com.au We hope you enjoyed today’s show… go tell someone about it! It’s that easy to show your support for engineers everywhere. We look forward to you joining us next week when we bring you another interview with one of our engineering champions.